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Level/pressure

Timed drowning. surface/underwater

Swimming in armour

Swimming carrying stuff

Different environments to swim in ( river stream lake pond ocean )

a river/pond/lake/etc should be a fillable source for buckets/vials/etc ( idea by Elffy )

• if I swim in water, do my vials/buckets fill up? -- PumaN - 14 Jan 2003
• I'd suggest that not only do any fillable things fill but also any open containers get diluted. -- FantoM - 14 Jan 2003
  • Bread and other food wouldn't taste too good after, either. -- ProdigY - 09 Jul 2004

Combat should be slowed underwater, and only piercing weapons can have any effect there -- PumaN - 14 Jan 2003

• The ability to alter combat under water will be possible as a result of the combat/combat controller concepts being discussed on the Combat web. -- FantoM - 14 Jan 2003

I killed a bug in the pond and said "A corpse of a tadpole is on the ground." I think they should float or sink to the bottom ( corpses probably don't float )

• Corpses after a while might float? although to make it easy we could start with everything sinking. Later on things could perhaps specify if they float in water or sink. -- FantoM - 14 Jan 2003

Fighting underwater should speed up the timed drowing.

If someone is swimming in a river it should have the potential to pull the player down stream.

Some streams/creeks may be too shallow to swim in. Maybe have the player able to walk through those areas but be more difficult to get through ... ?

After swimming for awhile it should effect the players hearing.

-- EmbeR - 14 Jan 2003

• type of hook that limits actions while in water. We should use verbs for this -- PumaN

• movement
  • water travel other than swimming
  • trainable swimming ablility
  • natural swimming ablility
  • Items that boost ability (fred)
    • flippers and such(fred)
  • depth, pressure, breathing, currents, sinking
  • walking
• encumbrance, weight vs swimming vs drowning
• inventory
  • carrying
  • wearing
  • wielding
• hearing, talking
• smelling
• seeing
  • light / fire
• underwater magic
  • lightning (fry, lightning)
    • Even though pure water is an insulator, if you are sitting in a pond or something, I think lightning would do a significant amount of damage to EVERYONE...including the caster. -- DevonScarfe - 30 Sep 2003
      • magic commands underwater would be PK actions in this case, probably not likely they would be used then. I'd imagine a player from any guild having difficulty in using commands underwater. Hard to call upon nature waving a staff around in your hands while you are treading water. Or even trying to be sneaky and quick. Again, how realistic are we looking to make this? Should players not be able to use commands?
      • Should we alter/add new commands only to be used under water?
      • StormlordGuild- tsunami command for storms, using a fair chunk of gp, taking a lot of time/steps to cast while dealing enornomous amounts of damage. Obviously it would be impossible to call upon a tsunami anywhere else because of the need for such a large amount of water.
      • DruidsGuild- an attacking summon for druids, to call upon the "beasts" of the waters to aid them. Different from what is described just below in that they won't take damage for you like the summon currently does. Less damage than a minordamage but it is continuous, and drains upon your gp all while it is cast or it could have bracers of speed like effect. Maybe it can only be called upon a limited number of times. It would have an initial sum of gp to cast it and smaller amounts to continue.
      • ThievesGuild- avoidance command for thieves. It would increase their defense. Generally more agile and nimble than other players, they would have an easier time moving throughout the water. This could be another continuous command which drains your gp for as long as it is used with an initial sum of gp to cast it and smaller amounts to continue. If you break your concentration you would need to recast. We could call it eggbeater to justify it only being used underwater. For all those that aren't swimmers, eggbeater is the most efficient way to tread water, allowing you to be powerful and quick. If we don't like the idea of heightened defense then it could also provide a temporary bracers of speed effect. -- AureleaGu - 28 Jul 2006
  • fire
  • ice (icestorm, hailstorm)
  • air (sandstorm) - could be whirlpool and wave effects ... etc
• underwater a druid would call things like fish, eels, turtles
  • Current pets would need a range in which they may follow, but one where they may stop (suggest anything without a 'sink' room.) -- ProdigY - 09 Jul 2004
• blue text
• combat
  • fired weapons
  • piercing and special weapons only
  • Fleeing. Movement in water is slower, to flee would be harder. -- ProdigY - 09 Jul 2004
• corpses
• death
• weather (snow,ice, winter time..)
• any kind of vehicle thing
• boats and possibly something that works underwater also (a floating controlable vehicle)
  • Large (that span over multiple rooms and require many players to move) (fred)
  • Small (fred)
• floating objects
  • set_material in objects, float/no float is do-able

ElffyB: it should be given a higher than other priority ... because there are lots of things pending because of this ...

-- EmbeR - 10 Feb 2003

Swimming design:

To be able to handle currents and swimming, we need a different kind of movement system, which is delayed.

To not have the players being drawn back by the current as soon as they enter a room, before being able to type a new direction command, they should try staying in the same spot, swimming against the current at the same speed as it.

There should also be a command 'float' which makes you simply follow the current.

Each room could be divided in a 3x3 grid, in which we move them, this will not be visible to players, but as they progress through the squares, they get messages on where they are heading. (ie, "You try to swim west, but the current is too strong and you are pulled southeast.")

• Swimming into a room would place you in the centre of the grid I presume? -- FantoM - 29 May 2003
  • Or the grid opposite the direction they just swam. (swim SE -> NW most 'box' of the grid). Unless the boxes are only for the current to move the player. -- ProdigY - 09 Jul 2004

Swimming/floating uses up stamina, at a varying rate dependant on how good a swimmer you are and how burdened you are.

If you run out of stamina, you start to sink, once submerged, you will try to hold your breath for as long as possible and then start losing life. (swimming in deep water when you're not too good at it won't be an advisable affair)

• What effects stamina? Must be some skill a player could raise in order to become better at 'holding their breath' or (strength?) 'swimming against the current'. Perhaps other.points -- ProdigY - 09 Jul 2004
  • Do we assume NPC's are supposed to be there and not concern ourselves with their swimming ability? Must have a way of changing messages for 'wandering' underwater NPC's.

Syntax suggestion by ElffyB: "The current here is 'strong' you are being swept to the east you can; dive, float, swim east, swim west or look."

• This would be nice for avoiding current - perhaps going deeper so as to not be dragged away by the current. -- ProdigY - 09 Jul 2004
• You should be able to set the strength of the current. -- TigeR - 09 Jul 2004

I'd suggest that we also have some point at which they are so burdened relative to their swimming skill that they simply sink while they still have stamina. At this point they can drop stuff and swim to the surface.

• This would be straight down? May depend on the current strength as well as the players weight, and strength. -- ProdigY - 09 Jul 2004

The message when someone arrives or leaves should be changed to something like "[person] swims in." and/or "[person] swims [direction]"

-- TigeR - 02 Jun 2004

Breathpoints have been done already -- PumaN - 22 Jan 2004

Idea of breathinging underwater (original from Ranma, Ember, and a bit from Fry; chopped by Fred)

You get "breath points" or Bp: based on your ot.swimming skill, much like ot.st affects hp
Stamina and Con affects your Bp, how it is drain and total amount.
being underwater depletes Bp depended on depth.

To set depth of water room:

• set_depth(range from say 1-20)

once you run out of Bp: it starts draining your hp, you start drowning.
Potions could replenish or grant unlimited Bp..
Higher lvl players drown as easily as lowlvl players.
Water rooms at the top have a depth of 1, 2 for the room below it, 3 for the room below that...etc.

• 10 ft of depth per number.

-- DonaldKincannon?

Swim into cave ->

• Air pockets?
• Bubbles from underwater plant life.

Fair call: Sunken treasure. Quests. Others? -- FantoM - 27 Jul 2006

I enjoy the thought of sunken treasure, although that would probably only be in water rooms considered to be oceans. It could work for lakes if someone just hid it there. In this case there could be a large monster protecting it. Maybe in the case of the ocean, the placement of it could be at random? Is the room generator able to do that? Both could be a once per boot occurrence. Of course not every water area could have this same idea.

The new combat system that was put into play... was that made to handle the combat alterations that were suggested previously? (see Puma comment from 14 Jan 2003) -- AureleaGu - 28 Jul 2006

Yes - random placement of an item is possible.

No - the combat system has not made it that far yet. -- FantoM - 28 Jul 2006